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	<title>Comments on: KDE 4 sucks big time</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Longtime KDE user</title>
		<link>http://thelinuxrant.com/kde-4-sucks-big-time.html#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>Longtime KDE user</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been using KDE since 2000, and I am currently running Kubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex), with all the recommended and other updates installed.

KDE4 is still the most unusable, unstable, quirky and irritating piece of software garbage I've used in the last 15 years. And that includes M$ software as well.

If the KDE community (and the distro people) do not take this to heart, it is going to serve as a major step towards making the Linux desktop a crappy &#38; unstable Windows-wannabe variant.

Konqueror is so unstable--even for basic operations--that it is practically unusable.

Konsole behaves totally different than the one in KDE3 (cut'n'paste behaviour, general UI unfriendliness)

Proxy support in Konqueror has been missing for the past half year. (Seriously; how hard can this be?)--making it totally unusable in a corporate environment.

Panel widgets get "blotted out" frequently for some obscure reason (the clock for instance)

Window grouping is apparently not possible (who the hell needs that?)--so all windows are piled on the panel.

The list goes on and on.

I've seen comments from pro-KDE4 people that this is probably caused by insufficient hardware (a 486 with 128mb RAM). This just proves that the KDE4 fanboys have no real idea of how a Desktop is supposed to function, and I doubt many were even born around the time 486's were introduced (how many of those came with an option to put in 128mb, anyway?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using KDE since 2000, and I am currently running Kubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex), with all the recommended and other updates installed.</p>
<p>KDE4 is still the most unusable, unstable, quirky and irritating piece of software garbage I&#8217;ve used in the last 15 years. And that includes M$ software as well.</p>
<p>If the KDE community (and the distro people) do not take this to heart, it is going to serve as a major step towards making the Linux desktop a crappy &amp; unstable Windows-wannabe variant.</p>
<p>Konqueror is so unstable&#8211;even for basic operations&#8211;that it is practically unusable.</p>
<p>Konsole behaves totally different than the one in KDE3 (cut&#8217;n'paste behaviour, general UI unfriendliness)</p>
<p>Proxy support in Konqueror has been missing for the past half year. (Seriously; how hard can this be?)&#8211;making it totally unusable in a corporate environment.</p>
<p>Panel widgets get &#8220;blotted out&#8221; frequently for some obscure reason (the clock for instance)</p>
<p>Window grouping is apparently not possible (who the hell needs that?)&#8211;so all windows are piled on the panel.</p>
<p>The list goes on and on.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen comments from pro-KDE4 people that this is probably caused by insufficient hardware (a 486 with 128mb RAM). This just proves that the KDE4 fanboys have no real idea of how a Desktop is supposed to function, and I doubt many were even born around the time 486&#8217;s were introduced (how many of those came with an option to put in 128mb, anyway?)</p>
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		<title>By: Buck Mojo</title>
		<link>http://thelinuxrant.com/kde-4-sucks-big-time.html#comment-282</link>
		<dc:creator>Buck Mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, KDE4 sucks badly. It took a step back. The previous KDE concept was just fine in my opinion. For my usage, there was nothing else more that it needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, KDE4 sucks badly. It took a step back. The previous KDE concept was just fine in my opinion. For my usage, there was nothing else more that it needed.</p>
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		<title>By: flyboy61</title>
		<link>http://thelinuxrant.com/kde-4-sucks-big-time.html#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>flyboy61</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never did like KDE.  Too many redundant programs.  K-Word, K-Write, K-This &#38; K-That.  Gnome is far more streamlined and usable.  KDE has always been, in my opinion, way too messy.  This would be a great time for all you KDE users to switch to Gnome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never did like KDE.  Too many redundant programs.  K-Word, K-Write, K-This &amp; K-That.  Gnome is far more streamlined and usable.  KDE has always been, in my opinion, way too messy.  This would be a great time for all you KDE users to switch to Gnome!</p>
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		<title>By: angrykdeuser</title>
		<link>http://thelinuxrant.com/kde-4-sucks-big-time.html#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>angrykdeuser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>slow qt4 kde4 crap!the old 3.5 was much faster.
gues we are forced to use fluxbox,lxde,icewm from now on. bye bye kde... RIP     or should we start a safe/fork kde 3.x campagne?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>slow qt4 kde4 crap!the old 3.5 was much faster.<br />
gues we are forced to use fluxbox,lxde,icewm from now on. bye bye kde&#8230; RIP     or should we start a safe/fork kde 3.x campagne?</p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
		<link>http://thelinuxrant.com/kde-4-sucks-big-time.html#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kde4 is a pile of crap.  if you want to see the difference between a well managed linux distro with a highly polished desktop environment and an alpha-grade conceptual snapshot of something in development, just run ubuntu hardy 8.04 next to fedora core 9, and try adjusting the desktop settings of both to suit your tastes.  the difference will be crystal clear in minutes.

kde4: EPIC FAIL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kde4 is a pile of crap.  if you want to see the difference between a well managed linux distro with a highly polished desktop environment and an alpha-grade conceptual snapshot of something in development, just run ubuntu hardy 8.04 next to fedora core 9, and try adjusting the desktop settings of both to suit your tastes.  the difference will be crystal clear in minutes.</p>
<p>kde4: EPIC FAIL.</p>
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		<title>By: K M Nur</title>
		<link>http://thelinuxrant.com/kde-4-sucks-big-time.html#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>K M Nur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KDE4 sucks! It really sucks! I had great expectations. Anyway, I totally had all the problem said before. KDE guys please do something about it. Few moves, why dolphin??? are we trying to please kids? If so have options - Novice / Intermediate / Expert level customization. I hated gnome so much now I do KDE4. I have been using KDE for last 5/6 years or so. Why this big changes??? Why? There are huge usability issues with KDE4! What a blunder!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KDE4 sucks! It really sucks! I had great expectations. Anyway, I totally had all the problem said before. KDE guys please do something about it. Few moves, why dolphin??? are we trying to please kids? If so have options - Novice / Intermediate / Expert level customization. I hated gnome so much now I do KDE4. I have been using KDE for last 5/6 years or so. Why this big changes??? Why? There are huge usability issues with KDE4! What a blunder!.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://thelinuxrant.com/kde-4-sucks-big-time.html#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps these issues will be fixed, but in the mean time, is there a way to get kde3 back! ?</description>
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		<title>By: Lee Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://thelinuxrant.com/kde-4-sucks-big-time.html#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KDE 4 is a very good example of second system syndrome in action.  

I've been using KDE since the pre-1.0 days.  I've always appreciated the pragmatic approach that they took in simply copying the good aspects of the Windows UI and improving it where doing so would not break the underlying UI paradigm.

But now the KDE developers have fallen under the misapprehension that they are usability experts and cognitive psychologists capable of designing a user interface.

I've tried to use KDE 4, but the more I try the more viscerally angry I become.  What the hell were these people thinking?  There was NOTHING wrong with KDE 3.5.x.  The ONLY thing that needed to be done was to fix the taskbar and the start button.  Had they done this, and left everything else essentially the same, then I'd have been overjoyed.   

I create Linux workstations for a living that are deployed for use by ordinary people who will expect the system to behave like Windows.  Giving them something else just doesn't cut it, especially when that something else is so fundamentally broken.  How am I supposed to promote Linux as an alternative to Windows when things go off the rails like this?

Unless things improve dramatically, I'm going to have to master the arcane art of beating Gnome into shape with gconf (and prey it can be scripted) and deploying it instead as I won't be able to keep systems at KDE 3.5.x indefinitely.  I've avoided Gnome so far because KDE was always better, but if KDE is going to jump the shark then I have no choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KDE 4 is a very good example of second system syndrome in action.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been using KDE since the pre-1.0 days.  I&#8217;ve always appreciated the pragmatic approach that they took in simply copying the good aspects of the Windows UI and improving it where doing so would not break the underlying UI paradigm.</p>
<p>But now the KDE developers have fallen under the misapprehension that they are usability experts and cognitive psychologists capable of designing a user interface.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried to use KDE 4, but the more I try the more viscerally angry I become.  What the hell were these people thinking?  There was NOTHING wrong with KDE 3.5.x.  The ONLY thing that needed to be done was to fix the taskbar and the start button.  Had they done this, and left everything else essentially the same, then I&#8217;d have been overjoyed.   </p>
<p>I create Linux workstations for a living that are deployed for use by ordinary people who will expect the system to behave like Windows.  Giving them something else just doesn&#8217;t cut it, especially when that something else is so fundamentally broken.  How am I supposed to promote Linux as an alternative to Windows when things go off the rails like this?</p>
<p>Unless things improve dramatically, I&#8217;m going to have to master the arcane art of beating Gnome into shape with gconf (and prey it can be scripted) and deploying it instead as I won&#8217;t be able to keep systems at KDE 3.5.x indefinitely.  I&#8217;ve avoided Gnome so far because KDE was always better, but if KDE is going to jump the shark then I have no choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://thelinuxrant.com/kde-4-sucks-big-time.html#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree, KDE 4.0 and that abomination known as dolphin both suck. Talk about limiting the users ability to tweak and fine tune! I have tried KDE 4.0 with OpenSuSE 11.0 and while it's pretty, it's completely useless when it comes to getting things done efficiently.

Dolphin doesn't have tabs... I need 7-12 tabs open so I can quickly access files from several servers around campus. This lack of such a simple feature makes dolphin a worthless pile for me.

KDE 4.0 configurability is severely limited as well. Simple things like setting the clock preferences have taken a step back and the level of customizations are a fraction of what KDE 3.5 offers. So I dumped KDE 4.0, wrote a long detailed letter to the KDE team and will probably not see a thing happen with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree, KDE 4.0 and that abomination known as dolphin both suck. Talk about limiting the users ability to tweak and fine tune! I have tried KDE 4.0 with OpenSuSE 11.0 and while it&#8217;s pretty, it&#8217;s completely useless when it comes to getting things done efficiently.</p>
<p>Dolphin doesn&#8217;t have tabs&#8230; I need 7-12 tabs open so I can quickly access files from several servers around campus. This lack of such a simple feature makes dolphin a worthless pile for me.</p>
<p>KDE 4.0 configurability is severely limited as well. Simple things like setting the clock preferences have taken a step back and the level of customizations are a fraction of what KDE 3.5 offers. So I dumped KDE 4.0, wrote a long detailed letter to the KDE team and will probably not see a thing happen with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cani</title>
		<link>http://thelinuxrant.com/kde-4-sucks-big-time.html#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>Cani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KDE4 is plain horrid. I'm done being a beta tester, I don't care about the KDE 2-3 transition, I got job to do now, not in 6 months. I'm heavily disappointed, they should have waited for another year to release it. It doesn't even have proxy support and they keep ignoring it as a priority. KDE is the only window manager that I like, now I have to admit the sad fact that I switched back to xp after 4 years. *That* sucks, even more than KDE4. 3.5 won't be supported for ever so I'm making the transition, the last thing I want to do is use KDE4. I'm not angry or resentful, simply disappointed. I always been a heavy supporter of KDE but recently I've been put down by the way Aaron Seigo treates everybody on his blog. This is not the friendly community I fell in love with years ago. Oh well, moving on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KDE4 is plain horrid. I&#8217;m done being a beta tester, I don&#8217;t care about the KDE 2-3 transition, I got job to do now, not in 6 months. I&#8217;m heavily disappointed, they should have waited for another year to release it. It doesn&#8217;t even have proxy support and they keep ignoring it as a priority. KDE is the only window manager that I like, now I have to admit the sad fact that I switched back to xp after 4 years. *That* sucks, even more than KDE4. 3.5 won&#8217;t be supported for ever so I&#8217;m making the transition, the last thing I want to do is use KDE4. I&#8217;m not angry or resentful, simply disappointed. I always been a heavy supporter of KDE but recently I&#8217;ve been put down by the way Aaron Seigo treates everybody on his blog. This is not the friendly community I fell in love with years ago. Oh well, moving on.</p>
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